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Metal Detectors?
« on: October 17, 2012, 01:56:47 AM »
Hi, everyone.  I have a question(s).

I know that DragonCon has a "non-working" weapons policy for costumes, which is understandable.  However, I have a permit to carry a concealed firearm, and my state's permit is honored in Georgia. (Therefore, it is legal for me to carry in Georgia.) 

I am a newcomer to DragonCon and Atlanta in general, and I am completely unfamiliar with the area.  I know that Atlanta is not known to be one of the safest places.  I want to carry my personal-defense firearm with me during the "to and from" trips between the convention and my hotel (which will not be a host hotel).  I obviously can not carry my personal-defense weapon to and from the convention without it being on me while I am there as well.  However, it would be completely concealed at all times and obviously never displayed.  It is solely for any life-threatening incident that may be encountered on the streets between my hotel and the convention.

My question(s) is: Will I be able to do this?  Is there any type of metal detector/body checks involved at the Con?

I don't want to show up with a legally concealed weapon and then go through a metal detector and get kicked out over it.

Thank you.

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Re: Metal Detectors?
« Reply #1 on: October 17, 2012, 02:08:50 AM »
There are no metal detectors or body checks, but I'd check Georgia laws and whatnot and make sure your license is valid there. But if you have the license to carry, I'm sure you're way ahead of me on that one :P

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Re: Metal Detectors?
« Reply #2 on: October 17, 2012, 03:32:08 AM »
Thanks so much!  I will definitely be looking into specific laws, but as of right now, I do know my state's permit is valid in Georgia.

Again, thanks for the helpful answer.

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Re: Metal Detectors?
« Reply #3 on: October 17, 2012, 05:32:14 AM »
I know in NC you can't carry in a place that serves alcohol and since the hotels have bars that would be a snag for me....better make sure of what your states stance on that is.
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Re: Metal Detectors?
« Reply #4 on: October 17, 2012, 06:56:26 AM »
DragonCons official policy is no, even with CCW permit with reciprocal states or local. Sworn LE is exempted.

Because it is viewed as an event similar to say, a sporting event- in which case States do not allow CCW at those types of events, it is prohibited.

Couple this with the serving of the aforementioned alcohol, you have a no no.

« Last Edit: October 17, 2012, 11:22:05 AM by TheDrunkenJedi »

Re: Metal Detectors?
« Reply #5 on: October 17, 2012, 08:05:19 AM »
As always, check Georgia state law, and Atlanta city law. Dragon*Con could revoke your badge or ban you from the event if they found out you are concealed carrying, even if it is not against the law they have that right as an event coordinator. All that being said, common sense goes a long way. With that many people in that small a space you wouldn't want to accidentally flash anyone, and I'd recommend being mindful of printing. Weapon retention is something you may want to study in case someone sees it and wants a free gun (with so many prop guns it'd be easy to open carry without anyone getting wise.) If it's a long road trip and you want it for travel more than at the actual event check which states you'll be driving through, and remember you can easily store your firearm in the hotel safe as every room I've stayed in has had one and none have had the simple "0000" override if you forget your code.

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Re: Metal Detectors?
« Reply #6 on: October 17, 2012, 08:23:40 AM »
Agree that having the gun at the con would likely be met with a strong reaction.

In terms of safety to and from the con, I think you will be fine. Which hotel are you in?  The con runs all day and night, and while some parts of Atlanta are not savory, the worst you should run into is panhandlers who will insist on showing you where the hotel/ restaurant is that you are looking for. I have walked a few miles away from the hotels at night before (south) and it was no big deal (other than missing con time, which was tragic).

In short, I too recommend you lock up the gun with your hotel during DC next year.
« Last Edit: October 17, 2012, 11:09:57 AM by Trathor »
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Re: Metal Detectors?
« Reply #7 on: October 17, 2012, 10:54:29 AM »
I saw people "open carrying" especially around the ankle. I know the Dragon*Con and Hotel staff do their best, but all things considered it is especially easy to get away with.

If you think ALL of the weapons you see are "props" - think again, be smart, be safe. It might not be YOU with the issue but that crazy half drunk zombie shambling towards you may have a different thing in mind.


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Re: Metal Detectors?
« Reply #8 on: October 17, 2012, 01:11:37 PM »
I saw people "open carrying" especially around the ankle. I know the Dragon*Con and Hotel staff do their best, but all things considered it is especially easy to get away with.

If you think ALL of the weapons you see are "props" - think again, be smart, be safe. It might not be YOU with the issue but that crazy half drunk zombie shambling towards you may have a different thing in mind.

I saw people open carrying also this year in the Sheraton. They were not dressed up and it was a 60 something father and his 30 something son. I was suprised actually.
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Re: Metal Detectors?
« Reply #9 on: October 17, 2012, 02:35:26 PM »
If I remember correctly, DragonCon posted something on the main page of their website just prior to the convention about carrying real weapons.  I think they said it was not allowed even if you have a license unless you are a sworn law enforcement officer. 
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Re: Metal Detectors?
« Reply #10 on: October 17, 2012, 02:51:26 PM »
And let's be sure to add the full reference to this discussion:

1. Georgia law criminalized bar carry, unless the owner of the bar grants permission to carry. If the bar owner does not allow carry, it is a crime to carry there. The host hotels during the convention could clearly be seen as a "bar" at all times.

2. The "public gathering" portion of the Georgia law was repealed with SB308 was signed into law on June 4th, 2010. Government building, church, bar, prision, mental health facility are restricted.

3. Individual restaurant owners have the option of asking you to leave their establishment if they do not wish for you to carry there. Should a business owner or his agent ask you to leave while you are carrying a firearm, do so immediately, or as soon as reasonably possible. Failure to leave within a reasonable time, or refusing to leave, is a criminal offense known as

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Re: Metal Detectors?
« Reply #12 on: October 17, 2012, 02:53:34 PM »
criminal trespass. I don't recall specifically if this existed but the entrances of hotels should be clearly marked with "NO FIREARMS". As indicated in 3. failure to comply with the establishment can be held as "criminal trespass".

Here is my opinion for the question, "Is it legal to carry into Dragon*Con?" - My answer - No.
From SB308: ""'Bar' means an establishment that is devoted to the serving of alcoholic beverages for consumption by guests on the premises and in which the serving of food is only incidental to the consumption of those beverages, including, but not limited to, taverns, nightclubs, cocktail lounges, and cabarets.""
The whole event is a giant 'Bar'+'Tavern'+'Nightclub'+'Lounge'+'Cabaret'.
'Cabaret' is the obvious one - the giant 'floor show' with drinks known as "Dragon*Con".
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Re: Metal Detectors?
« Reply #13 on: October 17, 2012, 03:41:06 PM »
well, the DCon rules are very specific: no weapons unless you're an LEO.  that means no weapons in any of the ('con) badge-access areas.  if the hotel is ok with open or concealed carry,  then that's fine as long as you don't want a badge.

where it gets tricky of course is after hours, when the hotels effectively become badge-access areas everywhere. 

but i'd still think that if you're carrying and wearing a 'con badge, if DCon security noticed you doing this, they could come up and yank your badge and that would be that, no judge, no jury, no appeal and no refund, since you're violating the DCon rule of "no working weapons."

IMHO, of course. :)

but if you do decide to carry, be sure to have your ID and permit in hand.  i've been in plenty of lines with Stargate Marines carrying very nice P90 replicas and seen lots of real Atlanta police stop and eyeball those weapons from very close range.  if they notice somehow that you're carrying a real sidearm, you'll have some 'splainin' to do.
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Re: Metal Detectors?
« Reply #14 on: October 17, 2012, 04:25:39 PM »
From their Policies page: http://www.dragoncon.org/policies.php

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9. Please abide by our weapons policy: All weapons must be non-working and peace bonded. No functioning projectile weapons includes water pistols, silly-string guns, and ping-pong pistols. Bladed weapons must be cased or sheathed at all times. No clowning around or showing off in the common areas. Any weapon used in an offensive manner will be confiscated and rule #7 enforced. We expect you to use good judgment; with your help, we can continue to allow peace-bonded weapons - thanks! 

10. Especially in the harsh reality of our times, Dragon*Con security staff, hotel security, and local law enforcement officials will treat anything that looks like a real gun as a real gun. We do not post bail.



I'm wondering if you bring your gun, and have it peace bonded while you are there - if that would be okay.  If it's zip-tied, you could always cut off the zip-tie as you are heading back to your hotel. 

Though they do say they must be non-working...  So I don't know if that means having it only peace-bonded would be okay...  :-\