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Offline shios

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1-day passes
« on: September 05, 2012, 11:44:33 PM »
Seems like a lot of you agree that unlimited 1-day passes are a problem, and I'm with you. Don't get me wrong, I understand some people can't afford the whole shebang, but there is clearly a problem with the crowds on Saturday (and to an extent, sunday). There are just way too many local dudebros and sluts buying these things clogging up the hallways thinking this is just a big frat party. I mean I get drunk and hang out as much as the next guy at D*C, but these people don't go to panels and don't care about any of the fandoms. They're just here to look at slutty women and get their pictures taken and it's seriously turning the con into more of a glorified party than a convention.

What do you guys think? I think they need to limit the amount of 1-day passes available. It's getting a little out of hand.

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Re: 1-day passes
« Reply #1 on: September 05, 2012, 11:58:43 PM »
I agree. Was way too many people on saturday. Limiting one day passes would be great but
I dont think dragoncon would do that and lose money. But people there to party and not a fan of some fandom does bother me. Hope dragon con does not go the route of sdcc

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Re: 1-day passes
« Reply #2 on: September 06, 2012, 12:05:12 AM »
I say make 'Day Passes' into "Day Passes".  Besides the quotes, this would mean they only work during daylight hours. 
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Re: 1-day passes
« Reply #3 on: September 06, 2012, 12:08:33 AM »
Hope dragon con does not go the route of sdcc
That's exactly what I'm afraid of.

I don't think they'd be "losing" money. At the most it would cut them back a few hundred dollars, but I think that's a small price to pay to keep the convention from turning more into an attraction.

I say make 'Day Passes' into "Day Passes".  Besides the quotes, this would mean they only work during daylight hours. 
That would be hard to moderate and communicate between the hotel staff imo. Unless they made it really stand out like a bright wristband as opposed to a badge or something.

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Re: 1-day passes
« Reply #4 on: September 06, 2012, 12:09:46 AM »
They shouldn't limit them, they should just not have them. The con is more than full enough already. It's not more fun with 50,000 than it is with 40,000, especially when the additional 10,000 are just there to gawk at the nerds.

There are very, very few people who are in the situation where they exactly broke enough that they can afford a $50 dollar pass but not a $120 pass or a $65 dollar pass 11 months earlier. Dragoncon is really, really cheap if you are local, and if you aren't local then you aren't getting a one day pass. As a couple, we spent about $2,000 on badges, airfare, and our hotel. I'd gladly spend $2100 if it meant I could go from the Hilton to the Hyatt in 15 minutes less or show up 15 minutes later to panels and still get good seats.

As for day passes...the con is too crowded during the day, and this would result in some people just camping out in the middle of the Marriott before the badges "wore off". They obviously don't eject people from inside the hotels once they get past badge checkers, I don't see why we'd expect the day pass crowd next year to get any different people from the no pass crowd this year.

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Re: 1-day passes
« Reply #5 on: September 06, 2012, 12:16:04 AM »
They shouldn't limit them, they should just not have them. The con is more than full enough already. It's not more fun with 50,000 than it is with 40,000, especially when the additional 10,000 are just there to gawk at the nerds.

There are very, very few people who are in the situation where they exactly broke enough that they can afford a $50 dollar pass but not a $120 pass or a $65 dollar pass 11 months earlier. Dragoncon is really, really cheap if you are local, and if you aren't local then you aren't getting a one day pass. As a couple, we spent about $2,000 on badges, airfare, and our hotel. I'd gladly spend $2100 if it meant I could go from the Hilton to the Hyatt in 15 minutes less or show up 15 minutes later to panels and still get good seats.

As for day passes...the con is too crowded during the day, and this would result in some people just camping out in the middle of the Marriott before the badges "wore off". They obviously don't eject people from inside the hotels once they get past badge checkers, I don't see why we'd expect the day pass crowd next year to get any different people from the no pass crowd this year.

Going to actually have to agree with you on all points there.

I'm also afraid of them moving this con to the convention center in the next couple of years because of the crowds of randoms. It would really remove the "personal" feeling that we all love about this convention.
« Last Edit: September 06, 2012, 12:17:43 AM by shios »

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Re: 1-day passes
« Reply #6 on: September 06, 2012, 12:21:11 AM »
Going to actually have to agree with you on all points there.

I'm also afraid of them moving this con to the convention center in the next couple of years because of the crowds of randoms. It would really remove the "personal" feeling that we all love about this convention.

Yeah, I am also swayed on all points, and I agree on the convention hall.  I used to think they should, but that was before I found out that other cons die at night... Dragon*Con has something special... they need the nightlife to keep the same vibe. 
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Re: 1-day passes
« Reply #7 on: September 06, 2012, 02:19:38 AM »
...as a local I can tell you D*Con will attract more and more of the gawkers.

This is one of the first years it really made headlines locally + re-runs of the documentary didn't help...lol.

You have to understand we have pockets of town that are the 21ish-40ish demographic of fraties that never matured past their college days in an SEC university - it's those types that throw together last years Halloween costume and mull around w/the hill people from outside the perimeter.

In my mind there is ONE simple step to stop this from growing into a problem.

Wristbands.

Sat / Sun have a simple line for day gawkers to get their bands that expire @ 10-11PM - they can't get into any after hours shows or parties inside a hotel, then staff can simply break an area into zones starting @ 9PM and weed out the non-pass holders.

Think about a club getting emptied out @ 3AM - it's not hard to police this w/an attentive staff
(doormen, bartenders, cool cops) and us as attendees.

We need a petition, emails, more ideas! Gotta save this Con - SDCC has declined into a underwear party sponsored by major studios & energy drinks - let's NOT let that happen here.

 
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Re: 1-day passes
« Reply #8 on: September 06, 2012, 10:38:23 AM »
I don't know... I agree with limiting the one-days, but not getting rid of them completely.  The idea of making them DAY only sounds good though.

While taking a break in a hotel cafe, a lady was there with her son and was asking us about the convention and where we are from.  She was really friendly, and said they were there only for the day, and she was thinking of coming down next time for the whole weekend instead.  Yeah, there are some attention whores out there who come for one day, but there are probably lots of families too.  People with some kids and can't afford to be there for a few days - not just because of money, but because of the hassle of it all, too. 

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Re: 1-day passes
« Reply #9 on: September 06, 2012, 11:12:33 AM »
http://dragoncon.livejournal.com/2978838.html?thread=33254422#t33254422

Saturday passes are already limited. They sold out this year.

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Re: 1-day passes
« Reply #10 on: September 06, 2012, 11:20:03 AM »
As someone who only went for the one day consider this.

Getting rid of the one day passes will exclude a lot of fans that DO come for the panels and the walk of fame and such, but either do not have the time or the money to go all four days. I didn't hang around for the parties and neither would the families that only come for the one day with their kids.
I would have been happy with a daytime pass that expired after the last panel.

This one day experience excited me so much I already bought a four day membership for next year  8), so a one day(time) pass serves a purpose.


I only went for the one day because this was my first time and had no idea what to expect. The crowds were a bit overwhelming though  :o

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« Reply #11 on: September 06, 2012, 11:50:49 AM »
As someone who only went for the one day consider this.

Getting rid of the one day passes will exclude a lot of fans that DO come for the panels and the walk of fame and such, but either do not have the time or the money to go all four days. I didn't hang around for the parties and neither would the families that only come for the one day with their kids.
I would have been happy with a daytime pass that expired after the last panel.

This one day experience excited me so much I already bought a four day membership for next year  8), so a one day(time) pass serves a purpose.


I only went for the one day because this was my first time and had no idea what to expect. The crowds were a bit overwhelming though  :o

There are quite a few people who simply can't make it down unless it's saturday or even sunday. Work and other issues pop up. Not everyone has time to go for an event this long. Especially if you live out of town.

I consider myself lucky that I can start off DragonCon going to a panel first thing friday morning, but it's kind of ridiculous to expect others to be able to do that.


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« Reply #12 on: September 06, 2012, 01:24:12 PM »
this is super simple IMHO - just put a time limit on the one/day badges.

Design them so they are easily recognizable so after 10PM hotel+ con staff / police can start to usher these people out efficiently - and TRAIN the hotel + con staff to handle this properly - or get private security.

...and def an underage policy after dark (which would fall under the one/day badges.

I'm looking forward to my Mom, and brother (both of whom would never buy a full pass) coming down next year on Sunday for brunch and to catch a few forums / shop etc. They are the classic example of a good day-pass / one-day pass demographic.

No need to discourage those people.

...and how hard is it to have the badge staff hand out a simple etiquette sheet or have 4-5 flat panels on a loop going over rules / basic manners while they queue?
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Re: 1-day passes
« Reply #13 on: September 06, 2012, 02:25:12 PM »
thank me later. let's make these into stickers lolz  :P








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Re: 1-day passes
« Reply #14 on: September 06, 2012, 02:34:06 PM »
This needs to happen.

Edit: I thought of another possible solution. Make 1-day passes available through pre-reg only. That way the people who keep track of these things (like you all who can only attend 1 day) can still get your badge while keeping the random hecklers out.
« Last Edit: September 06, 2012, 02:36:23 PM by shios »